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Tiz




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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptyThu Jun 11 2009, 23:48

Cupra20 wrote:
I reckon and would take a 20vt over a Vr any day of the week , imo the vr is to heavy and to slugish for me, the 20vt will spool up quicker and you can get 250-270bhp fairly cheaply if you want to go down that road.

just my 2p worth.

mid mounted in a caddy a bit of extra weight will be a good thing as the caddy will be a light weight one anyway.... A turbo'd vr is definately not a slugish thing
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 12 2009, 19:46

powerplant wrote:
Ya may have to log in on this site but gives ya an idea what ya can do...

http://www.vr6oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?139931

cheers for that, i found this guy the other day reckoned he turbo'd it for just over a grand. interesting read. dont know what he means by begi fmu tho? some sort of fuel metering unit?

http://www.vr6oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?231150.80

also what exactly is the difference between a charge cooler and an intercooler?
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 12 2009, 20:46

MarkGTX wrote:
also what exactly is the difference between a charge cooler and an intercooler?

I can answer you that one. Intercooler (normally front mounted if uprated) uses air passing over it (like a normal radiator does) to cool air from the turbo before it goes in the engine.

While a charge cooler has it's own water cooling circuit and pump and uses water to cool down the intake air.

I think from what i have read chargecoolers are more expensive but more efficent? sure someone will correct me if i am wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 12 2009, 21:09

ah right. heavier too i geuss, but then if they do more good then harm i suppose theyre worth the extra money
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 09:50

charge cooler would be the best in your setup mark as you wont have to run intercooling piping all the way to the front which would give you MASSIVE lag with long piping and a big intercooler.

If you run a charge cooler with short piping you will get boost a lot quicker and will have a lot more efficient setup.
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 16:54

ah right, how about an intercooler in the back? im not having a bed so it could lay flat in the back behind the engine with ducting coming from underneath
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 17:12

not wishing to piss on ur fire but just go put the engine in and mount it u homo lol!
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 17:50

curtis_caddy wrote:
not wishing to piss on ur fire but just go put the engine in and mount it u homo lol!

i agree with this Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 19:06

MarkGTX wrote:
powerplant wrote:
Ya may have to log in on this site but gives ya an idea what ya can do...

http://www.vr6oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?139931

cheers for that, i found this guy the other day reckoned he turbo'd it for just over a grand. interesting read. dont know what he means by begi fmu tho? some sort of fuel metering unit?

http://www.vr6oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?231150.80

also what exactly is the difference between a charge cooler and an intercooler?


No probs bud.... Thats the boy ya want2 be talking to as he the man when it comes to home breeds!..
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Haz

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PostSubject: Re: vr6 or 20vt?   vr6 or 20vt? - Page 4 EmptySat Jun 13 2009, 22:31

Ok, so.....

I run a mk3 VR obd2 and a Ibiza cupra 20vT both about the 200ish bhp, Yes I know that theyre very different cars and weights but, this is my opinion on what ive experienced,
I have to agree with Tiz for most of it, Displacement is key for me, my 20v is far quicker far far far quicker than my vr upto 100-110 but then the vr pulls like a train still and would leave my 20v way behind,
To be fair the 20v is still on the Ko3 and would benefit from a larger turbo,
but pound for pound im sure a turbo/charger on the vr would liven up an otherwise lazy engine.
However that said for your application dragging at the strip, I think a lighter, well modified 20v would give better times than a vr.

Just my opinion. Question
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