vr6 or 20vt?

righto then chaps, which engine is going to be the easiest and cheapest to get me near to the 400bhp mark?

i was thinking of charging a vr, making all my own pipework and spacing the headgasket. ive been told you can run them up to about 400 bhp without internal work?

20vt on the other hand, i would be mounting it to a passat gearbox if i had one, and other than bigger turbos etc and mapping what can i do?

im thinking that a vr will be cheaper to get ig power out of, but maybe not as reliable?

many thankings

Have you thought about a 16VT?

nope, do you mean just slapping a snail on an abf? i dont know too much about engines so any input is good.

its for a caddy that im building for the strip. space isnt an issue at all.

did think about a w8 but that would be silly money

20vt all the way mate, 400bhp is very achievable:D

VRT mark

20vt as said are very responsive to tuning and the internals can take a pounding

Lupton_20vt wrote:

20vt as said are very responsive to tuning and the internals can take a pounding

You'd have to change the internals to get to 400bhp if you want relilability other wise bye bye conrods!

Cupra20 wrote:

Lupton_20vt wrote:

20vt as said are very responsive to tuning and the internals can take a pounding

You'd have to change the internals to get to 400bhp if you want relilability other wise bye bye conrods!

yea obv 400 on stock internals is silly and unacheievable but im saying up to say upper end of 200 they are fine. apart from the 5hite gear boxes

You can run 330 on std internals so i've been told and seen but i woulnd't trust it personally, The boxes arent to bad just get a good clutch and diff setup and should be ok i reckon.

vrT just for the noiseeeee

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

MarkGTX wrote:

nope, do you mean just slapping a snail on an abf? i dont know too much about engines so any input is good.

its for a caddy that im building for the strip. space isnt an issue at all.

did think about a w8 but that would be silly money

I remember reading about a guy over the pond who had a Mk1 Polo with a Bi turbo VR6 but switched it for a 16VT because it was better but I can't remember why (not much use)

Quick google theres lots of info out there

There is obviously the S2's 2.2 20v turbo engine which you should be able pick up cheaply and more power is easily achievable

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

but.... the 20vt is a 1.8 and the vr is a 2.8 or 2.9... There is no replacement for displacement

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

eeeh yeah

EDIT For once I agree with Tiz

Tiz wrote:

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

but.... the 20vt is a 1.8 and the vr is a 2.8 or 2.9... There is no replacement for displacement

how long you been waiting to say that line tiz!

Dan

pinky wrote:

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

eeeh yeah

EDIT For once I agree with Tiz

:cyclops: you feeling ill?

Dan34 wrote:

Tiz wrote:

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

but.... the 20vt is a 1.8 and the vr is a 2.8 or 2.9... There is no replacement for displacement

how long you been waiting to say that line tiz!

Dan

TBH as soon as i saw the thread title i was hoping somebody hadnt said it already.... sad i know

r32 ftw you can do the conversion cheap now and alot less miles than the vr6.

got a customer with an r32 turbo tunning 516bhp 565lbft

Tiz wrote:

Dan34 wrote:

Tiz wrote:

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

but.... the 20vt is a 1.8 and the vr is a 2.8 or 2.9... There is no replacement for displacement

how long you been waiting to say that line tiz!

Dan

TBH as soon as i saw the thread title i was hoping somebody hadnt said it already.... sad i know

your so cool

mvdevelopments wrote:

r32 ftw you can do the conversion cheap now and alot less miles than the vr6.

got a customer with an r32 turbo tunning 516bhp 565lbft

Out of interest what's your idea of "cheap?"

engine 1500quid tops, vr6 gbox and driveshafts 150-200quid

all the associated parts for plumbing in/mounting 500-600quid

new clutch/fluids etc,,, 200quid

good exhaust system 350ish

wiring for it using all standard sensors immobilser decoded and throttle pedal
700ish

labour included drive away 4k

obviously parts supplied to me considerable less if you have the parts lying around

say engine and wiring up 2.8k

mvdevelopments wrote:

engine 1500quid tops, vr6 gbox and driveshafts 150-200quid

all the associated parts for plumbing in/mounting 500-600quid

new clutch/fluids etc,,, 200quid

good exhaust system 350ish

wiring for it using all standard sensors immobilser decoded and throttle pedal
700ish

labour included drive away 4k

Not bad at all but I suppose your looking at a lot more when adding some forced induction

thats too much for me. i was thinking more along the line of buying a stock engine, spacing the head and putting on a charger/turbo. i can make all the pipework myself so in theory forced induction shouldnt cost me anymore than a spacer and the actual charger?

like ive said i dont know a lot about this stuff so i may be missing loads of vital parts.

me theory was that a vr can be picked up fairly cheap, so if i blow a standard one by running too much boost i can just put a another cheapo vr in and maybe in the future upgrade the internals and maps etc to get it reliable? then i thought maybe a 20vt, or as mentioned a 16vt. i just dont know!

could always go all the way and get the r36 out of the new passat

MarkGTX wrote:

thats too much for me. i was thinking more along the line of buying a stock engine, spacing the head and putting on a charger/turbo. i can make all the pipework myself so in theory forced induction shouldnt cost me anymore than a spacer and the actual charger?

like ive said i dont know a lot about this stuff so i may be missing loads of vital parts.

me theory was that a vr can be picked up fairly cheap, so if i blow a standard one by running too much boost i can just put a another cheapo vr in and maybe in the future upgrade the internals and maps etc to get it reliable? then i thought maybe a 20vt, or as mentioned a 16vt. i just dont know!

Dont forget the cost of having it mapped etc mark or running standalone management etc.