vr6 or 20vt?

pinky wrote:

mvdevelopments wrote:

engine 1500quid tops, vr6 gbox and driveshafts 150-200quid

all the associated parts for plumbing in/mounting 500-600quid

new clutch/fluids etc,,, 200quid

good exhaust system 350ish

wiring for it using all standard sensors immobilser decoded and throttle pedal
700ish

labour included drive away 4k

Not bad at all but I suppose your looking at a lot more when adding some forced induction

yes it is quite expensive but if youu get it mapped and stick 75bhp of nitrous on it you;ll easily see 330bhp from fwd car, normal apirated is very quick

MarkGTX wrote:

thats too much for me. i was thinking more along the line of buying a stock engine, spacing the head and putting on a charger/turbo. i can make all the pipework myself so in theory forced induction shouldnt cost me anymore than a spacer and the actual charger?

like ive said i dont know a lot about this stuff so i may be missing loads of vital parts.

me theory was that a vr can be picked up fairly cheap, so if i blow a standard one by running too much boost i can just put a another cheapo vr in and maybe in the future upgrade the internals and maps etc to get it reliable? then i thought maybe a 20vt, or as mentioned a 16vt. i just dont know!

problem you have my friend is spacer gaskets are worth as much as a chocolate tea pot, why waste your money rebuilding it over and over again when doing it properly with pistons and all the goodies 1st time will give you an unstrained engine which is reliable.

your other option is 20vt with ihi turbo kit running 450bhp but you;ll have to uprate the internals both rods and exhaust valves for a start

In other words there's no cheap way of doing it properly

pinky wrote:

In other words there's no cheap way of doing it properly

putting it like that i agree. save up and do it right

pedal power FTW then make vr6t noises with your mouth, i do

BHP=£££ mark. always has, always will. theres no real cheap way of doin it else it would have already been done years ago. if i was you id go the vr route, get it in all built up and running. then when youve got the money go forced induction. youll see abit over 200 bhp from a pretty stock 2.9 vr with jsut exhaust and induction kit and that would be plenty to start of with in a caddy i think.

Weld a jet turbine in the rear bed sorted!

billybug wrote:

pedal power FTW then make vr6t noises with your mouth, i do

you can get vr6 noises?

plucky wrote:

20vt cos at the end of the day the audi tt 1.8t is pushin 225bhp
stock and the vr wat..... 174 no brainer

Turbo the VR to level the playing field

2.9 rado engine is a damn sight cheaper to get hold of than a 1.8T.

Mark, you can get the engine in situ and running mate then add the turbo(or charger) at a later date when funds allow.

Why put a smaller 4 pot in when you can fit a 6 pot that sounds awesome.

Vr has torque

i agree get a vr in there and get it up and running, then when you have the money charge it.

this will be one of those thread were there is no answer just endless pages of personal opinion

i think you should get a 1.8t with a polished gearbox for extra scene points

endless personal opinions are a good thing. its giving my ideas and things to think about. so far i agree with lee and matty. get a vr in there standard and charge it at a later tate. or turbo. hmm.

i think you should polish your gearbox billy. then you too can have even more scene points.

or did you mean polish as in eastern European?

i havent even read any post but i think you should just go do it and stop talking about it

curtis_caddy wrote:

i havent even read any post but i think you should just go do it and stop talking about it

LOL, fair point that

I would go for a 2.7 v6 bi turbo and big brakes

4.2 V8 from the current rs4 FTW, 412bhp out of the box and nasp power at that! job done, now go out and get it done.

Ive had enough of you lot...... even thought Tiz would come up with something interesting..


Right go on vr6owners club and look for a 5door mk3 pushing 380ish cant member name but will look for ya later.. Myself and shane (dinger_vr6) was taliking to hime at santa pod...... T4 turbo mani and jag injectors little map to get it goin and home made.....EASY!

Ya can charge it but would be a waste of time!!! Shorty is running 300bhp on a vr6 and gets mauled by my golf a jez little polo all day long!

Can 20vt if ya want but you will need new internals..

Now if im right and will confirm from OJ later for ya im sure he runs 16vt on S2 internals and a t3 near 280 without a propa map done under 1500 and is a killer......


Had my say now go and surf the net

Trouble with a 16vt is hes never ever gonna get the figures he eventually wants to get too, so why start with it in the first place? And all these big engines ppl are metioning, i think budgets needs to be kept in mind, and the amount of electrinic assistance those engine have to run, which will ony course problems when trying to do a 1 off conversion, therefore costing more money.

powerplant wrote:

Ive had enough of you lot...... even thought Tiz would come up with something interesting..


Right go on vr6owners club and look for a 5door mk3 pushing 380ish cant member name but will look for ya later.. Myself and shane (dinger_vr6) was taliking to hime at santa pod...... T4 turbo mani and jag injectors little map to get it goin and home made.....EASY!

Ya can charge it but would be a waste of time!!! Shorty is running 300bhp on a vr6 and gets mauled by my golf a jez little polo all day long!

Can 20vt if ya want but you will need new internals..

Now if im right and will confirm from OJ later for ya im sure he runs 16vt on S2 internals and a t3 near 280 without a propa map done under 1500 and is a killer......


Had my say now go and surf the net

Oh if it was me i would be bodging the hell out of a turbo conversion for giggles... I dont do stuff properly haha. Couple of snails. some random piping, blow it up a few times etc haha.

i tell you what, a Corsa 1.2 lump with a induction kit from halfords they are foooookin fast sound the nuts too

if you want six pots you could always got for running twin
1L polo 9n1 lumps

plucky wrote:

if you want six pots you could always got for running twin
1L polo 9n1 lumps

oooooor you could die?

yeah ok not a grate plan lol

Tiz wrote:

plucky wrote:

if you want six pots you could always got for running twin
1L polo 9n1 lumps

oooooor you could die?

hahaha

or you could take the rear coilies off and hav ethe car resting on teh rear beam and say you have teh worlds lowest car