changing clocks in golf

Hi all,
I'm thinking about changing clocks in my mkII golf, but... I'm not sure what about cables as I want to change those



with one connection like this (21 cables)




into those



with two connections like those (11 cables on white plug and 8 on black one)



I was trying to find some wiring diagrams on the web, but with not much success... so if anyone has some diagrams which could help - this would be much appreciated
cheers,
luke

Why you changing???

first pic, look like mk1 golf
second pic is of mk2 golf gti with mfa

thanks for reply, caddyrage
first clocks (with one socket) are the ones installed when I bought my car, but rev and mfa usually don't work.. it was only few times when anything appeared on rev or mfa
I bought the other ones (with two sockets) few days ago, they're from mk2 1.8 16v, but should fit ok to my 8v; problem is the wires... how should I connect them

CaddyRage wrote:

Why you changing???

first pic, look like mk1 golf
second pic is of mk2 golf gti with mfa

First pic is 90spec golf single plug clocks

Second pic is pre 90 spec double pin clocks usually the early 160mph 16v clocks etc.

Tiz wrote:

First pic is 90spec golf single plug clocks

Second pic is pre 90 spec double pin clocks usually the early 160mph 16v clocks etc.

yeah.. I thought they were both mk2 clocks..
but what about wiring the ones with two plugs and one more question - if I change clocks do I have to change stuff like temp sender / switch, oil temp sensor etc. as well?

im not sure on the wiring side of things, if you got a haynes manual im sure it would have the wiring diagrams for both in and you could mark out which does which and repin the plugs etc.

Shouldnt have to change senders as they are all VDO stuff i think and they will all work together.

How come your changing to the 2 pin plugs then?

He's changing to the two pin plugs as they were the ones available in my garage

VW Mike wrote:

He's changing to the two pin plugs as they were the ones available in my garage

What i do know is, the plug on the left of the clock(facing you) has a loom plugged into it that goes across the dash towards the passenger side.
Its a dash out job to wire that up i believe.

If they are the clocks that mike had off me then they are from an early 16v mk2 golf.

In theory though the wires should all match up to the replacement clocks though shouldn't they?

I think there are two wires that don't match up...will try and find a wiring diagram for him.

gracias senor

First clocks were used before August 1989 and pins are:

1- Outside Temperature Sensor

2- Warning for lack of coolant

3- Mass (Clamap 31)

4- MFA Reset

5- Engine Mass Cylinder Head

6- MFA Memory

7- Speed Signal Exit

8- Oil pressure 2 bar

9- Oil pressure 0,8 bar

10- Clamp 1

11- Clamp 30

12- Lighting

13- Clamp 15

14- Free

15- MFA Mode Switch

16- Load Control LIMA

17- MFA Oil Temperature

18- Free

19- MFA Outside Temperature Sensor

20- Glow Plugs

21- Fuel Gauge Sender

22- Free

23- Engine Temperature Sender

24- Indicator

25- High Beam

26- Free

27- Free

28- Free

Second clocks were used from August 1989 and pins are:

White Plug:

1- Indicator

2- Free

3- Clamp 58

4- Coolant temperature

5- Fuel supply

6- Mass

7- MFA Mass

8- Clamp 1

9- MFA – Mode

10- Clamp 30

11- Outside Temperature Sensor

12- Oil temp.

13- Clamp 56A

14- Free


Black Plug:

1- Clamp 15

2- Belt plant??

3- LED free

4- LED free

5- Hand Brake

6- Clamp 61

7- Oil pressure 0,3 bar

8- Oil pressure 1,8 / 1,4 bar

9- Choke

10- Glow Plugs

11- Resounding giver??

12- MFA Memory

13- MFA Reset

14- Free



I have translated this from german Golf forum and this is the link to orginal
http://www.doppel-wobber.de/wbb2/Information_161_VW-Golf-MFA-nachruesten.html


Hope that will help

Jarek,
thanks a lot!!!
it seems there's lots of fun for me for next few evenings

lkk wrote:

Jarek,
thanks a lot!!!
it seems there's lots of fun for me for next few evenings

you knew there would be when you bought it

Like i said if you need any help you know where i am

hi m8
if you go on the mk1 owners club web site theres a post called mk1 clocks in a mk2, theres really good point to point connection drawings for all different looms, its very good.
hope this helps,