My VR6...

Seriously? so your saying il have EXACTLY the same traction if i put space savers on and then put some 8J rims and tyres on?

Dan34 wrote:

Seriously? so your saying il have EXACTLY the same traction if i put space savers on and then put some 8J rims and tyres on?

no thats not what im saying.

im saying you will have the exact same amount of rubber on the road.

thermal wrote:

Dan34 wrote:

Seriously? so your saying il have EXACTLY the same traction if i put space savers on and then put some 8J rims and tyres on?

no thats not what im saying.

im saying you will have the exact same amount of rubber on the road.

at anyone point in time?



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i'm not sure if anyones noticed but we're talking about a fairly standard Golf VR6....

i dont think there's much need for a technical maths lesson on mass x pressure x contact area x couldnt care less. (i know its single wheel load divided by tyre pressure but that sounded funnier)

Dan i very much doubt you'll notice a difference in handling or traction with 10 or 20mm thinner tyres and you definitely wont have to slow down for any corners buddy, if thats all thats stopping you putting the wheels on then i say stop being a girl, stretch some tyres on those lovely wheels and lower it.

Sorry Tom but I'm can't believe that. You hit us with some mind blowing scientific jargon but I don't believe a car with 195's all round will have the same grip as a car with 330's all round. Your scientific analogy is lovely and all but it doesn't seem to be taking friction x contact area into account.

You said:

so the 195mm tyre would have a contact patch of 195 x 20mm

the 330mm tyre would have a contact patch of 330 x 84.6mm

Which would make the area of road contact:
195 tyre = 3,900mm
330 tyre = 27,918mm

How would something with almost 8.5x road contact have the same amount of friction?

WeFoundThePark wrote:

i'm not sure if anyones noticed but we're talking about a fairly standard Golf VR6....

i dont think there's much need for a technical maths lesson on mass x pressure x contact area x couldnt care less. (i know its single wheel load divided by tyre pressure but that sounded funnier)

Dan i very much doubt you'll notice a difference in handling or traction with 10 or 20mm thinner tyres and you definitely wont have to slow down for any corners buddy, if thats all thats stopping you putting the wheels on then i say stop being a girl, stretch some tyres on those lovely wheels and lower it.

haha its not really stopping me, im just running out of money trying to get them to work and shelling out for at least 2 new tyres aint gonna help my bank balance

If the azev's sell for what i hope they will then il have enough mulla to refurb the keskins and a neuspeed intake ive been looking at for ages lol!




also Max ftw

all i said is it will have the same amount of tyre on the road.

thermal wrote:

max wrote:

Sorry Tom but I'm calling on the ballshit card. You hit us with some mind blowing scientific jargon but I don't believe a car with 195's all round will have the same grip as a car with 330's all round. Your scientific analogy is lovely and all but it doesn't seem to be taking friction x contact area into account.

You said:

so the 195mm tyre would have a contact patch of 195 x 20mm

the 330mm tyre would have a contact patch of 330 x 8.46mm

Which would make the area of road contact:
195 tyre = 3,900mm
330 tyre = 27,918mm

How would something with almost 8.5x road contact have the same amount of friction?

It wont, all i said is it will have the same amount of tyre on the road.

and it should read 8.46mm not 84.6mm thats my poor typing.

But surely if it had the same rubber compound with the same amount of pressure in the tyres the vertical axis of contact would be the same, the only thing that would change would be the horizontal axis which would be getting large thus making a larger area and more friction?

technically tom is right, but because he didnt work it out and just used examples it contradicts itself.

if in theory the contact area for the 195 is 195 x 20 then the 330 would be something like 330 x 11.9

because there is more tyre width on the road the weight of the car doesnt compress the tyre as much as the 195 so less tyre is on the road than you'd think (assuming the tyre pressures are identical and the weight of the vehicle hasnt changed)

WeFoundThePark wrote:

because there is more tyre width on the road the weight of the car doesnt compress the tyre as much as the 195 so less tyre is on the road than you'd think (assuming the tyre pressures are identical and the weight of the vehicle hasnt changed)

ahh the weight of the vehicle effecting the side walls! forgot about that one

You guys all need to go out and get some sunshine.
Give Google and your right-hand a rest.

On topic...
Hurry up and get the wheels on Dan!

Stampers wrote:

You guys all need to go out and get some sunshine.
Give Google and your right-hand a rest.

On topic...
Hurry up and get the wheels on Dan!

read th thread you n00b hes selling them

Lupton_20vt wrote:

read th thread you n00b hes selling them

All I saw was the tyre crap.

Rather than selling them, why dont see if you can get a few mil machined off the back of the wheels?

Nice set of Brembo 4 pots surely there smaller than the standard calipers if not ignore my stupid unhelpful comment!

hahaha tire arguments ftw

Are we talking about izbakistanian's finest ditchfinder 3000s here or actual tyres

The whole point of these wheels is that they were gonna be cheap.

At this rate with tyre changes or machining them is turning into alot of mulla.

matty_mk1 wrote:

izbakistanian's

HAHAHA isnt that were half of joes caddy was made?

billybug wrote:

matty_mk1 wrote:

izbakistanian's

HAHAHA isnt that were half of joes caddy was made?

your not wrong billy lol

Not as low as i want it yet, but gonna let the coilovers setlle and go from there! Handles like a dream tho

it will handle fine at that height wait till you go lower lol please loose those headlights..

Lupton_20vt wrote:

it will handle fine at that height wait till you go lower lol please loose those headlights..

Im not gonna go low enough to destroy the handling haha

Fix my old headlights and sure il change them over

the morettes make me want to be sick on my own face.

I actually like the way it looks.
The second picture looks pretty damn nice IMO.

Drop it down about a couple of more inches and take that second picture again.

I'm a fan of something different. Hence being part of a dub-club and owning a BMW.

Stampers wrote:

I actually like the way it looks.
The second picture looks pretty damn nice IMO.

Drop it down about a couple of more inches and take that second picture again.

I'm a fan of something different. Hence being part of a dub-club and owning a BMW.

Cheers man!

yeah will be lower soon! and yeah i like to be different too, im only trying to please me really knowone else!